EVO's New numbers.

[johnboy1065]

went up to Buschur racing to get tuned by Buschur on Monday.

LONG trip up there, after each trip I forget how long it actually is lol.

Well, weird dyno numbers. I made MORE than I expected on 93 octane which was 560 WHP on his Mustang dyno. That's a 52 HP increase from last time.

BUT on race gas I didnt get quite as much as I expected. It made 617 WHP on Q16 race gas. my injector duty cycle was showing 98% WEIRD, since usually on his dyno 1200cc injectors will flow good enough to support 700 WHP on his dyno.

I'm thinking I either have a restriction in my fuel pump assembly OR an actual fuel pump that is not working up to par.

keep in mind that there is a 12-15% difference between his mustang dyno and most dynojets.

Just wanted to post the new numbers. I am VERY happy about my 93 octane numbers but not as happy about the Q16 numbers.

I will probably figure out what is restricting me and go back up there in a few months.

Either way Buschur is the MAN at tuning evo's. I think he's the best in the nation an this specific car and thank him for the awesome tune!

I will definetly go up there again when I get this figured out and let him tune it again:rockon:

would like to thank of course David Buschur for the awesome tune and excellent advice.
Steven and Kevin for helping me out with the car and letting me use they're wheels
andrew for letting me use his air compressor.
and Oasis performance for helping me out with the boost leak test. BTW NOTHING blew off or leaked at even 41 LBS of boost

thanks,
John

[5_02ls1]

damn thats alot of power in that little car....should bust 10s easily now...

[johnboy1065]

I ran 11.2 @ 132 MPH on 93 octane with 508 WHP

hopefully I can get into the 10's on 93 octane with the new 560 WHP

[5_02ls1]

should easily go 10s....you gonna run next week...

[92GreenGT]

Congrats John!

[Andy]

Great numbers!!! I can't wait to see it at the track.

[johnboy1065]

thanks, it's goin to track at the next street fights, whenever that is.

[Andy]

I believe the next one is July 24th, but don't hold me to it.

[turbo-s14]

Awesome Numbers!!!!!!!

[sitandwatch]

wow, congrats man!

[johnboy1065]

BTW, if they're are any AWD cars that are curious about they're dyno numbers we should call and ask appalachian performance for a dyno day.....I'd be up for it. I want to see how the numbers would differ from Buschur's dyno and also the elevation differences.

I'd like to also see some other cars on the dyno too. We outta make a dyno day or just a couple of us go up there.

[slow_dsm]

Congrats John. I know you are a big fan of him. But I would trust AMS over Buschur any day. David is a shady character. Glad to see you putting down some massive numbers. I don't see the fuel pump having anything to do with the DC of the injectors though.

[97' Formula]

congrats man! great numbers:rockon:

[dsmvr4]

grats man i want a ride lol.

[sloow hatch]

nice numbers should b a beast!

[johnboy1065]

Now that the evo is pretty much finished....(just gotta eventually work out this fuel issue so I can get retuned for more HP)

I can now focus all my extra time that I'm not in school or at work onto the DSM. Hopefully will make that thing a beast as well.

[Theke5Box]

Nice numbers man, can't wait to see it in action.

[batmanfc]

Damn man, your car is a beast.

[Watain]

BUT on race gas I didnt get quite as much as I expected. It made 617 WHP on Q16 race gas. my injector duty cycle was showing 98% WEIRD, since usually on his dyno 1200cc injectors will flow good enough to support 700 WHP on his dyno. John

:wow: Jesus Christ, thats a lot of power for a car that size. How much were you wanting? 650-700?

[johnboy1065]

:wow: Jesus Christ, thats a lot of power for a car that size. How much were you wanting? 650-700?

yeah, thats how much I was looking for on a mustang dyno

on a mustang dyno that's a whole lot of power.

[Watain]

Yeah it is, do you know if the numbers were SAE corrected though?

[Bigblockhatch]

Hey Johnboy here you go...On paper at 560whp at 3400lbs your car should go....10.6265647555398 ET.....At the 617 you have it should go...10.288700233916776...Im sure that it will do better since it was on a mustang dyno which reads lower.....Good luck i hope it finally goes 10's


http://robrobinette.com/et.htm....This is only a guessimate helper..You need to add for your weight too

[johnboy1065]

Hey Johnboy here you go...On paper at 560whp at 3400lbs your car should go....10.6265647555398 ET.....At the 617 you have it should go...10.288700233916776...Im sure that it will do better since it was on a mustang dyno which reads lower.....Good luck i hope it finally goes 10's


http://robrobinette.com/et.htm....This is only a guessimate helper..You need to add for your weight too

Thanks man! but I'm hoping to get a 10.6265647555397 instead of the 10.6265647555398 that you listed:( You think I can do that? lol

[johnboy1065]

Yeah it is, do you know if the numbers were SAE corrected though?

I actually don't know. his printer screwed up so I just read off of the computer screen. and didnt really look at that. I should've but just didnt. I think the woman took a pic of the computer screen with her cell phone. So I may check her pics later and see if it says on there.

[deepblue.:r32]

Where's my ride bitch!

[TorqueJunkie]

lolz i had 2 rides. Acceleration is simply amazing

[johnboy1065]

lolz i had 2 rides. Acceleration is simply amazing

thanks man!

hopefully one day the talon will make the evo look like a pussy lol

[Scooter]

Hey Johnboy here you go...On paper at 560whp at 3400lbs your car should go....10.6265647555398 ET.....At the 617 you have it should go...10.288700233916776...Im sure that it will do better since it was on a mustang dyno which reads lower.....Good luck i hope it finally goes 10's


http://robrobinette.com/et.htm....This is only a guessimate helper..You need to add for your weight too

wow this says i should go 10.84454077753245 on the new numbers..... :nice::rockon:


Nice numbers congrats man

[DANIEL]

thanks, it's goin to track at the next street fights, whenever that is.

Congrats on the New numbers :headbang: I bet it hauls ass..lol :gears: Hopefully,I'll get to check it out this Thursday if your running. Good luck at the track

[johnboy1065]

we.. the Car was shitty today,

ran a best of 11.4 @ 123

thats pretty much a 10 MPH decrease from last years best MPH.....and I made 52 more HP than last year....weird...

I havent found anything obvious in a few logs that I just did. BUT I'm not that experienced with this stuff. I'll probably send the logs to Buschur and see what he thinks.

logs actually look great to be honest but I am an untrained eye at that kinda stuff.

Boost was a maximum of 31.3 PSI
AFR is a constant 11.3-11.5 with heavy load
Knock sensor voltage was a maximum of 2.0
Timing looked ok


I dunno, with that kind of a log it's hard to think a fuel pump would be the problem, which is what I originally thought might be my problem

[TiAgZ4Mc]

Yea, seems like you're getting plenty of fuel if your afr's stayed in that range.

[TorqueJunkie]

it was really wierd, you should be at least trapping alot higher and going through the beams in high 4th

[johnboy1065]

it was really wierd, you should be at least trapping alot higher and going through the beams in high 4th

yeah, I could tell it was gonna be a crappy time/trap speed by how low in the RPM's I was finishing the 1/4 mile in.

I've gotta figure this crap out, this shit is NOT cool lol

[slow_dsm]

What kind of 60'' did you pull? I might be way wrong here, and some may call me stupid, but oh well. With this new tune do you think it is possible that lumberjack tried to get you a better peak horsepower instead of a good range of power? I have seen graphs that shoot up like crazy and some that are linear. The ones that jump out of nowhere seem to run less than desireable every time.

[johnboy1065]

What kind of 60'' did you pull? I might be way wrong here, and some may call me stupid, but oh well. With this new tune do you think it is possible that lumberjack tried to get you a better peak horsepower instead of a good range of power? I have seen graphs that shoot up like crazy and some that are linear. The ones that jump out of nowhere seem to run less than desireable every time.

I pulled a 1.6 60ft time.

I don't think it's that. I saw the dynograph and it looked like a nice smooth curve all the way to redline. I started getting significant power at around 4300 RPM's or so.

[johnboy1065]

well, another problem. the wideband O2 sensor seemed to go out today...

I'm going to fix that and then send logs to Buschur.

I think there is a widband O2 for sale here on Full throttle.

[5_02ls1]

what wideband are you using???most of them use a bosch sensor thant can be gotten at a parts store...

[johnboy1065]

I'm using the AEM wideband

[slow_dsm]

Well with that 60'' and your decrease in mph, it leads me to the tune. With more power I'm not understanding how you lose 10mph on a good run.

[5_02ls1]

im bout sure aem uses a bosch sensor...just take it with bya to the parts store so they can use the numbers on it...

[DANIEL]

well, another problem. the wideband O2 sensor seemed to go out today...

I'm going to fix that and then send logs to Buschur.

I think there is a widband O2 for sale here on Full throttle.

Im sure your running race in your car and the Bosch sensor is prone to failure when running race gas. You should buy the ntk sensor which is alot better when running race gas. There higher that the bosch one but better insurance.

[92WhiteLX]

Most likely got to be the tune to drop that much mph. How many runs did you make

[TorqueJunkie]

Im sure your running race in your car and the Bosch sensor is prone to failure when running race gas. You should buy the ntk sensor which is alot better when running race gas. There higher that the bosch one but better insurance.

pump gas

[TorqueJunkie]

Most likely got to be the tune to drop that much mph. How many runs did you make

he made quite a few, times varied from 11.4-11.8 and all traps were right around 123

[Evo_1320]

Your 60' time is pretty good. That is where the whole race is with all wheel drive. I think my 60' times were 1.72 I think. So you should be doing a little better down the track. Did you raise your foot when you shift?? And do you stay in 4th at the 1/4 mile. My mph was the same as you’re right now too. Do you think it could be the HTA turbo? Do you like it?

[johnboy1065]

Your 60' time is pretty good. That is where the whole race is with all wheel drive. I think my 60' times were 1.72 I think. So you should be doing a little better down the track. Did you raise your foot when you shift?? And do you stay in 4th at the 1/4 mile. My mph was the same as you’re right now too. Do you think it could be the HTA turbo? Do you like it?

the 60 ft time is about as good as I think it could be with the tires that are on the car. (they're not slicks). I do raise my foot when I shift, I know that takes longer but I don't want to be super rough on the tranny....well any more rough than I'm already being anyway lol. and yes, this time I did stay in 4th. actually though, I should be producing enough HP to where I'd HAVE to shift into 5th at the end of the 1/4 mile because my RPM's would be like 8500

nah, I dont think it's the turbo. it's either:

1. tune is slightly off because of elevation differences between Ohio and here, which means I just need to send a log to Buschur and have him edit it.

2. there is some kind of fuel problem going on with the fuel pump/pump assembly.




a quick question for anyone who has a Fuel pressure regulator with a gauge on it.

when you turn the car off, and pop the hood and look at the fuel pressure gauge, will it immediately read zero?

It seems like mine USED to have to slowly bleed down in pressure but now it immediately reads zero when I turn the car off


thanks,
John

[rockbatterdawg]

I recently finished a del sol B18 swap and the owner supplied an AEM fuel rail and fuel pressure regulator along with a liquid filled gauge. When the engine is shut off it has thus far held pressure and slowly bled down. Dont know if Honda and Mitsubishi work the same, but hope it helps.

[Evo_1320]

it could be the fuel lines........

[5_02ls1]

it should take awhile to bleed back down...shouldnt just drop like you are explaining...sounds like the pump is about to take a shit.....

[SD Motors]

A fuel problem will get very pronounced with your setup(as it did with the eclipse)

If we can look at a log from a run at the track I'm 95% sure that a problem could be pin pointed. Also we have a cal based off yours that fixes your fuel pump prime issue and makes it log w/o hitting F6. If you want me to email it to you just drop me a pm.

[Bigblockhatch]

You dont think the motor is getting tired do you..A fuel problem at those power levels is not hard to notice...The motor loosing power from get tired isnt as noticeable when you are making high 500's on pumpgas...You might have gotten some bad gas that wasnt up to the 93 octane and hurt something in the motor...

[johnboy1065]

You dont think the motor is getting tired do you..A fuel problem at those power levels is not hard to notice...The motor loosing power from get tired isnt as noticeable when you are making high 500's on pumpgas...You might have gotten some bad gas that wasnt up to the 93 octane and hurt something in the motor...

I don't think it has gotten tired in the 2 weeks time that I've gotten back from Buschur's although it is possible.

I tested the compression a few days ago and it looked fine.

I didnt do a leakdown test though

[Bigblockhatch]

If you do a leak down test again only do it with 40psi so that its a accurate test.

[Bigblockhatch]

I don't think it has gotten tired in the 2 weeks time that I've gotten back from Buschur's although it is possible.

I tested the compression a few days ago and it looked fine.

I didnt do a leakdown test though

A motor can start to give up the ghost at anytime

[johnboy1065]

If you do a leak down test again only do it with 40psi so that its a accurate test.

It's accurate at 100 PSI also. It's prolly accurate at about any psi. Most people prolly just use 100 because if you don't have a leakdown percentage gauge it's easier to calculate.

But yeah I hope it's not the motor, But I actually seriously doubt it is.

But if it is, I guess I'll just re-ring the pistons hone the block maybe put new bearings in and put it back together! lol (as long as nothing else is wrong of course)

[johnboy1065]

this is kinda random but DAMN it'a been raining a lot lately lol

I've got my new wideband sensor and have been wanting to do a few pulls so I can log them and send them to Buschur but I'd slide around like hell if I tried it here lately!!! lol

too much damn rain!!! haha

[5_02ls1]

my cobra has been on blocks for over a week...everytime i slide under it it starts to rain.....I feel like shrek...my yard is a swamp....

[johnboy1065]

I trapped 128 today at the track. getting back up there in the MPH. still not where it should be though.

E.T was nothing special though 11.5 lol

I'm thinking with the new setup I have to rev the engine out more.

I guess I'll try again at the next street fights:thumbs:


John don't give up lol

[Andy]

Where did you run at?

[johnboy1065]

I ran at Bristol

Terry and his Wife rented the track and a my friend Ben invited me up

[Evo_1320]

well i would like to have came....lol

[Carisma4321]

I ran at Bristol

Terry and his Wife rented the track and a my friend Ben invited me up

Terry... Black TL Type-S?... Ben.. Sti?

[Azure1589]

Awesome numbers man.

[supraman95]

Dude that car has alot left in it. You were losing alot of ground when you went to 2nd and the turbo had to come back online. That thing is a beast and I am sure once you get it sorted out and bang some gears you will get some good times!

[sti_evo]

Dude that car has alot left in it. You were losing alot of ground when you went to 2nd and the turbo had to come back online. That thing is a beast and I am sure once you get it sorted out and bang some gears you will get some good times!

I agree man, that car has a ton left in it. Like i told you at the track, just shift with a goal in mind to break something. :lol2:

[Evo_1320]

lol....that is the same thing i told him too....haha if it breaks you have a reason to get a different part.....

[scallopedhatch]

Terry... Black TL Type-S?... Ben.. Sti?

yup the one and only!!!!!!!!

[Hondafrk]

yup the one and only!!!!!!!!

Wooow, nice to see ya posting, Terry!

[scallopedhatch]

Wooow, nice to see ya posting, Terry!

yeah sorry guys ive been super busy here lately, build a house, garage, and my car its been nuts for a min. but im starting to get everything in a line. SO IM BACK

[SD Motors]

I would see about why the car is actually trapping slower when it is supposed to have more power before I race anyone else.

btw I have a cal for your ems that will help with logging and make it so your fuel pump dont keep running with just the key in the on position. Drop me a email and I will send it to you.

[scallopedhatch]

no offense to john cuz that car is awsome, but he needs to bust that cars ass harder. hes got really good stuff in that thing and we need to line him up aginst faster cars that meet his cars speed. when he ran this time that he just got it was against birchfields twin turbo viper. i think john might been thinkin "im gonna give this guy a run for the money". but if he runs a car that is a 16 sec civic hes not in that zone. JOHN we gonna have to find you some races son!

[johnboy1065]

yeah, no doubt I did try harder against the viper lol

but I SHOULD have motivation no matter who I'm against lol


the main problem is that I really need to rev the car out higher. I don't really like doing that but I guess ya gotta do what ya gotta do. AND also my 1st to 2nd. that shift is a bad shift for me, I lose the turbo completely.


I really just hate beating on the car that I have put blood, sweat and cursing into lol

but like I said, I guess ya gotta do what ya gotta do.


next time at the track that bitch is getting reved higher:usa: and maybe yank those gears harder

BTW Terry, thanks for allowing me to run that day:nice:

[scallopedhatch]

shit ill be there wit you bro

[johnboy1065]

I would see about why the car is actually trapping slower when it is supposed to have more power before I race anyone else.

btw I have a cal for your ems that will help with logging and make it so your fuel pump dont keep running with just the key in the on position. Drop me a email and I will send it to you.

actually I fixed the pump priming and also got the logging set how I like it.

Thanks for the help with the internal logging though that time at the track! that helps out A LOT!

thanks,
John

[turbo-s14]

Push its ass John, it can do it!!!

[SD Motors]

actually I fixed the pump priming and also got the logging set how I like it.

Thanks for the help with the internal logging though that time at the track! that helps out A LOT!

thanks,
John

No prob, did your ems go? if you need a car to hook it up in to test it we can do it in the eclipse if you would like.

[johnboy1065]

No prob, did your ems go? if you need a car to hook it up in to test it we can do it in the eclipse if you would like.

yeah, it did lol

it sucked. Had to get towed home

BUT on the bright side I called AEM and they told me how to fix it. Now the car runs fine again:headbang:

[Andy]

yeah, it did lol

it sucked. Had to get towed home

BUT on the bright side I called AEM and they told me how to fix it. Now the car runs fine again:headbang:

What did you have to do to fix it?