DSM turbo kit

[vtecexcivic00]

i've added it up and it's going to be cheaper to just build a turbo kit myself. can anyone tell me the best place to get the turbo, manifold, bov, etc?

i read about using the crx HF manifold and an adaptor if i can't find a manifold. is that right?

[dksix]

If you are trying to do it cheap you bout got to find it used local or ebay . Craigs list also , but if I can't go pick it up it feels like a bigger risk dealing on craiglist .

[SD Motors]

HF manifold, a t25, 14b, or 16g turbo from a old dsm, a side month intercooler(or a cheap intercooler/piping kit from ebay), piping, injectors(DSM's with resistors), obd2b to obd1 conversion harness, obd1 ecu(p06, p28, p30, p72, etc, etc), stealth mode oil line kit, wideban, data logger(or laptop).

Thats off the top of my head, I'm sure I missed something.

[SD Motors]

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/

[dksix]

HF manifold, a t25, 14b, or 16g turbo from a old dsm, a side month intercooler(or a cheap intercooler/piping kit from ebay), piping, injectors(DSM's with resistors), obd2b to obd1 conversion harness, obd1 ecu(p06, p28, p30, p72, etc, etc), stealth mode oil line kit, wideban, data logger(or laptop).

Thats off the top of my head, I'm sure I missed something.

I have some 440cc DSM injectors , a couple of intercoolers , some gauges and other stuff . Bailey has some stuff too , come by sometime and maybe we can hook you up on some of the stuff once you decide what all you're going to need .

[SD Motors]

I used to have a new ebay manifold with a mitsu flange on it but it sat for like 2-3 years and I threw it in the trash lol.

[vtecexcivic00]

HF manifold, a t25, 14b, or 16g turbo from a old dsm, a side month intercooler(or a cheap intercooler/piping kit from ebay), piping, injectors(DSM's with resistors), obd2b to obd1 conversion harness, obd1 ecu(p06, p28, p30, p72, etc, etc), stealth mode oil line kit, wideban, data logger(or laptop).

hmm. any idea how much that will run for that? i would really like for the manifold to be able to let me keep A/C and ps.

i believe i need a downpipe too. i looked at homemadeturbo.com and the only place that had some of the parts was ebay. they listed using an afc. would that be ok at low psi or is it necessary to do the conversion and get another ecu?

(sadly my car is an automatic)

[dksix]

hmm. any idea how much that will run for that? i would really like for the manifold to be able to let me keep A/C and ps.

i believe i need a downpipe too. i looked at homemadeturbo.com and the only place that had some of the parts was ebay. they listed using an afc. would that be ok at low psi or is it necessary to do the conversion and get another ecu.

(sadly my car is an automatic)

Automatic turbo car rock , until the tranny gives up the ghost .

[vtecexcivic00]

Automatic turbo car rock , until the tranny gives up the ghost .

lol. that's why i'm going to keep it around 7 or 8 psi until i decide to do a manual swap. i'd be happy with the 8 psi from the turbo.

[SD Motors]

I had a 98 civic back a few years ago and put a kit together on the cheap. I had all the parts other than my intake charge piping and injectors and ended up spending $800 to $900. I wrecked the car before it went on so I sold the kit I had put together to a guy up in Michigan and he ran it on a 99 ex manual, kept the a/c and made like 180 to 190whp and around the same tq to the wheels tuned. That was on a rinky t25 turbo also.

[dksix]

lol. that's why i'm going to keep it around 7 or 8 psi until i decide to do a manual swap. i'd be happy with the 8 psi from the turbo.

My tranny never did go but when we pulled to do the 5 speed swap there was allot of metal on the drain plug . Lunching at 7 psi was a blast though . I assume your car is a D series . I saw a D series mani on e bay earlier today for 50 that didn't sale .

[vtecexcivic00]

I had all the parts other than my intake charge piping and injectors and ended up spending $800 to $900.

wow. that's not bad at all. i just need to find the right parts. i'd like to do it over summer since i don't have classes.

is all this hard to put in myself or should i let someone else do it? if i have to change my ecu and things i'll probably let someone do it for me.

[vtecexcivic00]

I assume your car is a D series . I saw a D series mani on e bay earlier today for 50 that didn't sale .

yup. sure is. i saw some on ebay earlier but none let me keep my A/C and ps. i saw a couple that would but i wasn't sure if a 14b turbo would work and if the downpipes would fit the turbo.

[dksix]

yup. sure is. i saw some on ebay earlier but none let me keep my A/C and ps. i saw a couple that would but i wasn't sure if a 14b turbo would work and if the downpipes would fit the turbo.

I just got a PM and price almost a whole turbo set from the stull I was talking about . With the stuff he's getting from me I think he's going to have less than 500 in the whole kit , but he's OBD1 and we are doing his ecu for him .

[hondafreak45]

I just got a PM and price almost a whole turbo set from the stull I was talking about . With the stuff he's getting from me I think he's going to have less than 500 in the whole kit , but he's OBD1 and we are doing his ecu for him .

WHOOP!!! that'd be me! lol

[vtecexcivic00]

not bad. sometimes i think it's a pain having a obd2 ecu. i saw a video of an auto ej1 using a 14b turbo and he didn't seem to have anything to tune it. he could have some ems but idk.

[dksix]

You can't have an increase in power that a turbo provides without a tune , not for long at least .

[vtecexcivic00]

didn't think so. what would you suggest i use since SD told me i need an obd1 ecu?

[Bigblockhatch]

didn't think so. what would you suggest i use since SD told me i need an obd1 ecu?

Really the best thing to do would be swap the car and change it to a 5spd......

You can(i really hate to sound like a broken record)put a h22 in it and run mid to high 13's all day for around 3k.....Or you can put a turbo kit on that thing spend close to 1500-2000 in the end and replace the tranny a couple of times with labor and have more in it than the h22 swap....Even if you turbo the sohc with the auto the car still wont run low 15's or make anywhere close to the power of the h22 stock

[dksix]

I'd say that the OBD2 to OBD1 harness and an OBD 1 ecu would be your cheapest safe route . We may have one of the hx mani's out there or even a D series turbo mani . If you are looking for parts , you should PM Stacy . He will be better able to tell you what we have . I know we have some turbo's right now , from a st8 T3 upto t3t4's . I think there is also a converson harness and I know we have a few OBD1 ecu's .

[vtecexcivic00]

i believe someone on here once told me i could get a greddy turbo kit for around 1500. i have yet to see one below 2,200. greddy was my origional choice but i'm open to the dsm choice.

i know i could swap it out but i'd rather stick with a turbo. sometime in the future i will do a manual swap. i was just hoping to do the turbo first and the dsm way seemed alot cheaper over buying a kit already assembled.

[dksix]

Really the best thing to do would be swap the car and change it to a 5spd......

You can(i really hate to sound like a broken record)put a h22 in it and run mid to high 13's all day for around 3k.....Or you can put a turbo kit on that thing spend close to 1500-2000 in the end and replace the tranny a couple of times with labor and have more in it than the h22 swap....Even if you turbo the sohc with the auto the car still wont run low 15's or make anywhere close to the power of the h22 stock

Single Cams Rule :headbang:
Howdy Nate , what'cha doing up so late . Don't you need you beauty rest ?

[vtecexcivic00]

HF manifold, a t25, 14b, or 16g turbo from a old dsm, a side month intercooler(or a cheap intercooler/piping kit from ebay), piping, injectors(DSM's with resistors), obd2b to obd1 conversion harness, obd1 ecu(p06, p28, p30, p72, etc, etc), stealth mode oil line kit, wideban, data logger(or laptop).

so pretty much this, including a downpipe, boost gauge, vaccum lines and a timer if i chose is all i need?


i don't expect a huge amount of power out of this nor to go incredibly fast. just something extra is fine with me. i don't race enough to worry about hitting 15's.

[dksix]

so pretty much this, including a downpipe, boost gauge, vaccum lines and a timer if i chose is all i need?


i don't expect a huge amount of power out of this nor to go incredibly fast. just something extra is fine with me. i don't race enough to worry about hitting 15's.

Most of the guy's on here know allot more about it than me , but I don't know that a wide band and data logging are a must have . A must for tuning , but I'm not sure about day to day use . One thing that has been left out , if you plan on staying with the auto , do yourself a favor and get a tranny cooler . It will make the tranny last LONGER .

[vtecexcivic00]

One thing that has been left out , if you plan on staying with the auto , do yourself a favor and get a tranny cooler . It will make the tranny last LONGER .

noted. this is my dd so i'm just trying to get a good idea about how much i'm going to spend piecing this kit together and what i need to tune it.

[dksix]

If you aren't in a big hurry , you should get a list together and watch ebay , craigs list and the classifieds here and get it as good prices come your way . It will save you big , but take longer .

[vtecexcivic00]

If you aren't in a big hurry , you should get a list together and watch ebay , craigs list and the classifieds here and get it as good prices come your way . It will save you big , but take longer .

yea, i'm ok with waiting. i figured people here could help me figure out what i would exactly need for this. like i said, i'd like to do this over the summer since i'm free from classes but if it takes a while, it's fine. i just wanna get the right parts from the start.

[Bigblockhatch]

i just wanna get the right parts from the start.
Then buy a greddy kit or the edelbrock kit and dont worry about it........At least all the parts in that kit are good...
If you buy a cheap ass kit or cheap pieces that is what you will have...There is a reason those $50 manifolds are $50....They are thin walled junk that breaks,parts fall off of at random and so forth.So unless you like rewelding,replacing parts inside of and so forth just buy good parts to start with...

The edelbrock kit has 4 extra injectors and ems to run it all....You will not need anything as fas as remember..

http://www.streetperformance.com/part/edelbrock/turbo-kit/494546-1500.html

[SD Motors]

Honestly it looks like you want the car to be reliable, and a easy type of ad on for power. I think of what all you want, with the auto transmission and honestly think it may not be a bad idea for you to try and grab a used Jackson Racing supercharger. You will not make as much power but with the restrictions you have put on your setup it looks to be one of the best routes. You transmission is holding you back in a bad way.

If you are locked into wating a turbo setup then right now your money would be best spent on the supporting mods before you even start buying anything for a turbo setup. First thing is you need to do a 5 speed swap, 96 - 00 ex transmission or if you can score a transmission from a 92-95 JDM D15B that would be great because they are equiped with a lsd stock. Then get hardened brake lines, new brembo blank rotors, and a good set of pads.

Like the person above me posted the ebay manifold will crack unless you weld supports onto them, the weight of the turbo coupled with the heat being produced will cripple a thin crappy manifold. And everything is in the tune, we are dealing with a tune keeping us out of the low 12's/high 11's right now. Hitting the traps at 116mph but on our logs we are up in the 120's about 100 to 150ft before the traps.

[turbo-s14]

^^ Where do you get hardened brake lines?? Oh and just a question/request/suggestion....Care to post some of those time slips showing your times? A scan/pic will be fine. And who is we, you always post we and suggest a shop, curiuos about this information. Dont take this the wrong way, just repectfully asking.

[SD Motors]

I drive the eclipse, me and a freind built it, and we try to make money doing what we love(working on cars), I made a type-o and ment to put hard lines as in not the stock rubber ones.

12.7 at 108.99

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c117/balla48801/1271.jpg

116mph trap

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c117/balla48801/Image1.jpg

There are plenty of people that can vouch for the car and the quality work we have done to it. And I am not taking it wrong, not very many of these cars built up so most think we are bs'n when it gets talked about.

[dsmvr4]

Yeah seeing a 3rd gen eclipse is kinda of off the wall i woouldnever do it but glad people do, Looks like you guys have done your work and its paying off for you.

Im also thinking of turbo,ing my B20 hatch. When i pieced togeather good respectable parts like SP fab,Pfab,Neukin mainfold there any where from $350 for log types to $650 for equal legnth mainfold. Then they do have top mounts and such for more acourse.
Before i decide on a mainfold tho im going to see what scott can do on one. Nates has lasted and is very well designed. After my fuel injectors and FPR tuning and the WAstegate and charger. I got around 2500ish befor tuning for a good name brand stuff kit.

I mean you could always go the SSAC way and hope it all works out for the best. There like 500-700 bucks for the kit. I thought about doing this but just dont want to half ass a kit togeather i know is going to run into problems in the long wrong. But im also in no hurry and will be piecing this kit togeather more in likly the car will not be turbo'd this season. But that why we have winter and you have to have patience when it comes to turbo's and the setup do it right the first time. Im hoping to luck into a AEM EMS deal off one of the forums i search daily hopefully.

I really cant wait to see what the shop can put down on B20 and see how long it last's.
Onlything i love about a honda compared to a DSM is motor are hella cheap if it blows and you can always come across one fast or use Hmotors or another JDM engine seller.

[turbo-s14]

cool deal man +rep for you, you hit it right on the head many people bs about that gen eclipse and i was just curious, good times.

[SD Motors]

Thanks for the comments. It's cool though. Like I said I do the driving for the most part but we have both spent many 3-4am nights on the car. :)

On a side note, those times were with a 125+ degree track temp, hot lapping it, with 90+ degree ambiant air temps. Somebody at the track said that the desity altitude was 4100 or 4200ft.

[dksix]

Then buy a greddy kit or the edelbrock kit and dont worry about it........At least all the parts in that kit are good...
If you buy a cheap ass kit or cheap pieces that is what you will have...There is a reason those $50 manifolds are $50....They are thin walled junk that breaks,parts fall off of at random and so forth.So unless you like rewelding,replacing parts inside of and so forth just buy good parts to start with...

The edelbrock kit has 4 extra injectors and ems to run it all....You will not need anything as fas as remember..

http://www.streetperformance.com/part/edelbrock/turbo-kit/494546-1500.html

I'd say that kit would be everything you want . My bad I thought when you were saying DSM and cheaper you were trying to avoid $3500 to $4500 for your set up .
Nate the high dollar stuff breaks too . Didn't you tell me that your EMS was taken out of your car , put on a shelf and went bad ?
( sitting on the shelf ) . I remember cause you said you had to call someone that you had known from when you worked at Ride and you told them that you had just gotten it back from being repaired and you weren't going to pay another $500 to fix it again . Don't get me wrong , I agree you get what you pay for but just cause you didn't pay 3500 plus for a turbo set doesn't mean you don't have a good set up . There are bargains out there , you just have to wait to find them . That 50 dollar manifold may have broken the week you put in on the car , it may have lasted years . No one know's , we build platens for presses at the plant that holds 200 ton , but 1 bad weld and they lat go . Anyone is capable of making a bad weld and not knowing it and then something will break when it's pushed . And yea , I'm sure that a custom made mani will most likely last better than an XS Power mani but they also cost allot more . It's more about how the stuff is taken care of than where it comes from . I know people that would destroy the shit box in a day and yet you have had the car running great for a year . I'm sure you understand what will break the car and what it can stand , and you stay in those limits . Nothing will last if you don't take care of it and sometimes things will go wrong even if you do everything right . In the long run , if you don't know everything you need to you should let someone do it for you who does . Like let Greddy build your turbo kit , you're paying for the engineering as well as the components . If you don't have deep pockets and want to learn how to do it yourself , you're on the right track . But be warned there will be set backs and broken parts , no matter what the name on the box says .

[turbo-s14]

I'd say that kit would be everything you want . My bad I thought when you were saying DSM and cheaper you were trying to avoid $3500 to $4500 for your set up .
Nate the high dollar stuff breaks too . Didn't you tell me that your EMS was taken out of your car , put on a shelf and went bad ?
( sitting on the shelf ) . I remember cause you said you had to call someone that you had known from when you worked at Ride and you told them that you had just gotten it back from being repaired and you weren't going to pay another $500 to fix it again . Don't get me wrong , I agree you get what you pay for but just cause you didn't pay 3500 plus for a turbo set doesn't mean you don't have a good set up . There are bargains out there , you just have to wait to find them . That 50 dollar manifold may have broken the week you put in on the car , it may have lasted years . No one know's , we build platens for presses at the plant that holds 200 ton , but 1 bad weld and they lat go . Anyone is capable of making a bad weld and not knowing it and then something will break when it's pushed . And yea , I'm sure that a custom made mani will most likely last better than an XS Power mani but they also cost allot more . It's more about how the stuff is taken care of than where it comes from . I know people that would destroy the shit box in a day and yet you have had the car running great for a year . I'm sure you understand what will break the car and what it can stand , and you stay in those limits . Nothing will last if you don't take care of it and sometimes things will go wrong even if you do everything right . In the long run , if you don't know everything you need to you should let someone do it for you who does . Like let Greddy build your turbo kit , you're paying for the engineering as well as the components . If you don't have deep pockets and want to learn how to do it yourself , you're on the right track . But be warned there will be set backs and broken parts , no matter what the name on the box says .

Well said!!

[dksix]

I don't think it counts if you agree with me :lol:

[Bigblockhatch]

Yeap the ems went bad but it wasnt from sitting on the shelf(Aem said mabe it got water in it while it was sitting on a helf from a water leak in the building)Yes good parts break,the only reason the $50 manifolds are that cheap is becuase they are built from a thin walled ss tubing...Its not a ????? of if its going to break its a ?????? of when and what part is going to be effected when it does....Turbo going to fall off,wastegate going to jump off and smack your radiator.....I know shit happens to good parts....It just seems it happens way less with better built parts......I guess what i have always tried to preach is if you cant afford to do it TWICE or THREE times....DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME WITH GOOD PARTS...Cause it will be less headache in the end

[dksix]

Yeap the ems went bad but it wasnt from sitting on the shelf(Aem said mabe it got water in it while it was sitting on a helf from a water leak in the building)Yes good parts break,the only reason the $50 manifolds are that cheap is becuase they are built from a thin walled ss tubing...Its not a ????? of if its going to break its a ?????? of when and what part is going to be effected when it does....Turbo going to fall off,wastegate going to jump off and smack your radiator.....I know shit happens to good parts....It just seems it happens way less with better built parts......I guess what i have always tried to preach is if you cant afford to do it TWICE or THREE times....DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME WITH GOOD PARTS...Cause it will be less headache in the end

Nate , brother I love ya and it's not that I don't agree with you entirely . But he's looking for something on a budget and you link him to a $3500 kit . Come on , you've been around this stuff for a long time . Is that the best you can do to help someone trying to get something together for $1000 to $1500 ? I know you could have given him better advice than drop $3500 . You don't know a good used mani , turbo or something that would have helped him out ? And then you slam me for trying to offer some advice within the parameters of the question that was asked . I've spent hours talking with you and you've never one time brushed me off the way you did him . There are allot of guys on here who knows allot about this stuff , but on here they just don't try to help . When we talked about my E85 set up I found AEM's were 1500 to 1800 and you said I could find one used ( like you did ) for 4 or 5 hundred , "build your on mani" ect . How about some of that advice for someone wanting to get into a boost'd car . It is possible to steer someone onto a good set up and stay in a reasonable budget .

[vtecexcivic00]

You can(i really hate to sound like a broken record)put a h22 in it and run mid to high 13's all day for around 3k.....

just curious.. would i have room if i do this to keep cruise and A/C? most of the civics i've seen remove em.

[SD Motors]

The HF mani, adapter, mitsu turbo is a reliable setup if attention is paid to detail. Junkyard turbo setups are the way to go if your looking for cheap setup and your not reaching for the stars as far as power is concerned. Look on turbod16.com or d16.org, or my favorite sohchonda.com.

[Maximuscr31]

Nate , brother I love ya and it's not that I don't agree with you entirely . But he's looking for something on a budget and you link him to a $3500 kit . Come on , you've been around this stuff for a long time . Is that the best you can do to help someone trying to get something together for $1000 to $1500 ? I know you could have given him better advice than drop $3500 . You don't know a good used mani , turbo or something that would have helped him out ? And then you slam me for trying to offer some advice within the parameters of the question that was asked . I've spent hours talking with you and you've never one time brushed me off the way you did him . There are allot of guys on here who knows allot about this stuff , but on here they just don't try to help . When we talked about my E85 set up I found AEM's were 1500 to 1800 and you said I could find one used ( like you did ) for 4 or 5 hundred , "build your on mani" ect . How about some of that advice for someone wanting to get into a boost'd car . It is possible to steer someone onto a good set up and stay in a reasonable budget .
Don't sweat it. nate is just pms'ing right now

[dksix]

just curious.. would i have room if i do this to keep cruise and A/C? most of the civics i've seen remove em.

I'm not sure on a Civic , but Crum was able to on a teg
http://www.fullthrottleforums.com/showthread.php?t=34938

[Bigblockhatch]

That kit for $3500 is new...Find it used....It has everything though...Injectors,ems to control them and timing,intercooler kit and all the piping.......I was more or less showing him a kit that had it all...


I said that you can find them used for dirt.....They are on HT all the time for 5-700....

Here is one on ebay with no reserve.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AEM-EMS-For-Honda-B-Series-NEW-30-1040-Standalone_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65 Q3a15Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c 294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem20abe 7d9d5QQitemZ140323051989QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ 5fPartsQ5fAccessories

I understand he is on a budget or wants to be...I also get the feeling that he also would like to not have any problems since he drives this thing all the time...

[Bigblockhatch]

dy kit going to end soon......http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/96-00-Honda-Civic-Ex-Greddy-Turbo-Kit_W0QQitemZ140322730938QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors _Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item20abe2f3ba&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Good deal on a good kit....

[vtecexcivic00]

The HF mani, adapter, mitsu turbo is a reliable setup if attention is paid to detail. Junkyard turbo setups are the way to go if your looking for cheap setup and your not reaching for the stars as far as power is concerned. Look on turbod16.com or d16.org, or my favorite sohchonda.com.

that's what i was considering but where i'm an auto, not many ems works with that unless some places are saying wrong. and i don't want to have to worry about my tranny breaking. so i may just with a jrsc until i get outta school and get something better or at least a beater for a dd. at one point, i considered getting a b16a or a b18c but a sc was cheaper to buy.

[dksix]

That kit for $3500 is new...Find it used....It has everything though...Injectors,ems to control them and timing,intercooler kit and all the piping.......I was more or less showing him a kit that had it all...


I said that you can find them used for dirt.....They are on HT all the time for 5-700....

Here is one on ebay with no reserve.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AEM-EMS-For-Honda-B-Series-NEW-30-1040-Standalone_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65 Q3a15Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c 294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem20abe 7d9d5QQitemZ140323051989QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ 5fPartsQ5fAccessories

I understand he is on a budget or wants to be...I also get the feeling that he also would like to not have any problems since he drives this thing all the time...

dy kit going to end soon......http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/96-00-Honda-Civic-Ex-Greddy-Turbo-Kit_W0QQitemZ140322730938QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors _Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item20abe2f3ba&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Good deal on a good kit....

Now that wasn't so hard was it :cheers:

[SD Motors]

that's what i was considering but where i'm an auto, not many ems works with that unless some places are saying wrong. and i don't want to have to worry about my tranny breaking. so i may just with a jrsc until i get outta school and get something better or at least a beater for a dd. at one point, i considered getting a b16a or a b18c but a sc was cheaper to buy.

Ok I'll be the bad guy here, best things you can spend your money on to make the car more fun on the street and be reliable untill you get to a point of being able to mod it w/o as many worries. Do a 5 speed swap, 96-00 ex transmission, a decent clutch(nothing crazy), shave the stock flywheel(can be taken to 13lbs safely and it's cheap to do this), buy a short shifter, and then do suspension work.

This way you are still modding your car, getting your hands dirty, learning, keeping cost down and reliability good. Plus these are things you want before you add power. A car with alot of power is no fun and not to safe unless you have everything up to par around it imo. Better brakes, suspension, and a 5 speed swap can all be done part at a time for around $800 to $1200 depending on what all you get. Then the car will be in a better position to handle more power.

:gears:

[Maximuscr31]

Ok I'll be the bad guy here, best things you can spend your money on to make the car more fun on the street and be reliable untill you get to a point of being able to mod it w/o as many worries. Do a 5 speed swap, 96-00 ex transmission, a decent clutch(nothing crazy), shave the stock flywheel(can be taken to 13lbs safely and it's cheap to do this), buy a short shifter, and then do suspension work.

This way you are still modding your car, getting your hands dirty, learning, keeping cost down and reliability good. Plus these are things you want before you add power. A car with alot of power is no fun and not to safe unless you have everything up to par around it imo. Better brakes, suspension, and a 5 speed swap can all be done part at a time for around $800 to $1200 depending on what all you get. Then the car will be in a better position to handle more power.

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well put

[vtecexcivic00]

I understand he is on a budget or wants to be...I also get the feeling that he also would like to not have any problems since he drives this thing all the time...

yeah. at the moment unfortunately i would like to keep myself on a budget. and at the moment my civic is my dd so i'm trying to keep it reliable. i may just do a couple bolt ons if i change from the idea of boost and leave it at that till school is finished.

[SD Motors]

I'm telling ya man, suspension and a 5 speed swap will make that car tons more fun to drive.

[vtecexcivic00]

I'm telling ya man, suspension and a 5 speed swap will make that car tons more fun to drive.

hmm. alright. for now i'll just keep saving and hold off on going boost for now.

thanks for everyones input.