View Full Version : Which cam for 94 5.0 stang
kenseth17cd
03-26-2009, 07:45 PM
I have a 94 5.0 stang that is pretty much stock to my knowledge minus a 3.73 gear. What cam would get me the most gains without changing valve springs or putting different heads on. I am looking at b303 or e303. I would like to get about 20-30 hp from a new cam.
I have a 94 5.0 stang that is pretty much stock to my knowledge minus a 3.73 gear. What cam would get me the most gains without changing valve springs or putting different heads on. I am looking at b303 or e303. I would like to get about 20-30 hp from a new cam.
I think the E cam is the biggest you can go with on stock pistons! Ask before you order the cam! In all honesty its a waste of money if your not getting heads! Stock heads are so restrictive! If you go with AFR 185 heads 1.6 roller rockers and comp cams XE274HR you would gain 125 rwhp! Cost ya 2000.00 and yes you would have to fly cut the pistons but thats not as bad as it sounds!
03Honda_Hunter
03-26-2009, 08:10 PM
Don't know what you're looking to spend, but like kitt said, it'd probably be best to do heads and intake at the same time. I saw a top end kit in a mag a while back. I believe it was from late model restoration. It was heads, cam, manifold, and I think a few other pieces you need to redo your entire top end for like $2500. If you've got the cash, that'd probably be the way to go.
fordpower
03-26-2009, 08:24 PM
had a e cam in mine when it was stock
but i still upgraded valve springs
sell ya my stock heads with upgraded
comp cam valve springs retainers and locks
good up to 600 lift $200
e303 is what i told ya big guy. best bang for the buck for when u do get the heads and intake.
had a e cam in mine when it was stock
but i still upgraded valve springs
sell ya my stock heads with upgraded
comp cam valve springs retainers and locks
good up to 600 lift $200
and u should get these from this guy.
DSM_4_life
03-26-2009, 08:36 PM
The alpahbet cams are dinosaurs man, there are much better ones these days. I had a trick flow stage 2 in the merc.
5_02ls1
03-26-2009, 08:38 PM
if your car is a 5 speed and you have all the other supporting mods/ie....intake throttlebody headers midpipe.....then do a caM THE ALPHABET CAMS WERE DESIGNED AROUND STOCK HEADS.....they are all relativly small cams.....I myself loved my e cam had the cam timing retarded 4 degrees...it had a good sound and a nice broad powerband......everyo ne ive seen with the b had idling issues with stock tuning,cam pulls hard though.....but for the most streetable power on stock pistons,the f303 is a bad ass off the shelf cam......it comes on hard about 3 grand and pulls hard to the 6250 limiter.....
the alphabet cams are kinda outa date but still perform good....
an fyi...i paid 49 bucks for edelbrock 5 liter valve springs at advance auto.....never reuse stock springs on a cam swap.....
kenseth17cd
03-26-2009, 09:08 PM
So from what I can gather the general consensus is, get better heads b4 I get a cam and if I get a cam, get the f303 but upgrade valve springs in my stock heads. I am looking to get about 50 hp at the crank, but only have $600 to spend. Is this going to be feasible if I get headers, x pipe, cold air kit, and cam. If that won't give me close to 50hp I may just try to buy a set of heads. But, from what I have read, a e303 will give my car around 25hp at the crank on stock heads, so cold air kit, x pipe, and headers should make up another 25 what you think?
AzureMachIne
03-26-2009, 09:09 PM
I had the e cam in my white notch with stock heads and it was awesome, really woke the car up until i put heads on..
5_02ls1
03-26-2009, 09:11 PM
well the alpha cams normaly gain about 40flywheel so with the headers and stuff i can see you easily getting your goal.....you dont need aftermarket heads to make decent power....hell 92lx made 24x at the wheels stock heads and cam....
kenseth17cd
03-26-2009, 09:16 PM
So you think e303 or f303 and how much would it help to go ahead and get the heads port and polished while changing valve springs?
5_02ls1
03-26-2009, 09:20 PM
you dont have to pull the heads to do valvesprings.....a good port and valvejob can make some nice power but to do it with lets say atleast gt40 valves hell your looking at close to 1000 bucks...you can pick up a set of pro-comps for around 700.....but no need to pull heads...
kenseth17cd
03-26-2009, 09:27 PM
Oh, okay, when putting the e303 in, will there be any probs with the computer or idling or piston clearance. I am assuming that I just need to get new valve springs for that cam and not some different size ones. I know these are stupid ass questions, but I don't know that much about engine work and I don't won't to order my cam and find out that it requires a bunch of work.
5_02ls1
03-26-2009, 09:32 PM
myself and alot of others have ran that cam on the stock springs...would i do it again no...sprimgs are so cheap its crazy not to do them....the e will clear fine and run fine on stock tuning...its a baby cam....
kenseth17cd
03-26-2009, 09:36 PM
Sweet, then I will prolly be getting one this weekend, could you pm me the info on where to get the valve springs and what brand/size to get. Also any probs you run into installing the cam would also be appreciated.
fordpower
03-26-2009, 10:28 PM
mine ran a 7.45 @ cherokee on a small shot with the stock heads and e cam.no probs when changing cam but if you got alot of miles on it--i would change the timing chain too.
fordpower
03-26-2009, 10:39 PM
good heads is where its at
went with the trickflow twisted wedges
car runs 6.70-6.80 just with the head change
on a stock shortblock with e cam and 150shot
dsmvr4
03-26-2009, 10:50 PM
E303 is the best choice. But like said in high milage car best to upgrade valve springs and other key items.
kenseth17cd
03-26-2009, 10:51 PM
Do you guys think that with 3.73's, e303 cam, long tube headers, and off road x pipe and good traction that this car could hit 13's at bristol?
5_02ls1
03-26-2009, 10:53 PM
yes......92lx is going 13.50s on a stock cam.......his car is a little lighter but the cam should make up for it.......but traction is a big part of it....
5_02ls1
03-26-2009, 10:55 PM
good heads is where its at
went with the trickflow twisted wedges
car runs 6.70-6.80 just with the head change
on a stock shortblock with e cam and 150shot
damn thats fucking hauling....
fordpower
03-26-2009, 10:55 PM
and being able to speed shift that dam 5speed
i never could
thats y i got a c4 with a brake now
dsmvr4
03-26-2009, 10:55 PM
Do you guys think that with 3.73's, e303 cam, long tube headers, and off road x pipe and good traction that this car could hit 13's at bristol?
Yes also if you need to search for helpful info on your car join SN95 forums. Where i get most of my info and such. If i still have my doudts i ask people onhere/
Yeah you should be able to run 13 with that setup.
kenseth17cd
03-26-2009, 10:58 PM
Thanks for the input, i hope you are right. As of now the only mod it has is 3.73 gear and it feels like a high 14 second car, so I need to knock around a second off it. But, I think the cam itself will prolly make a big difference and traction would help as well.
5_02ls1
03-26-2009, 11:01 PM
60ft and shifting make a world of difference......get you some e/t streets and a good aftermarket shifter....
kenseth17cd
03-26-2009, 11:04 PM
Yeah, my 60 ft is prolly 2.6 or something terrible,cause I can't even pull out and hammer it, I have to let it get to about 5mph and then I can floor it and that is with 275/45/17's in the back. I am sure being able to launch at 2500 or so would make a very big difference.
fordpower
03-26-2009, 11:05 PM
yeah my car could never hook with anything---then i got a set
of et streets and it solved the traction issue.
i think my car bone stock ran 14.20s
i hope itll run somewhere in the 10s this year
i havnt got to run 1/4 since the new combo
kenseth17cd
03-26-2009, 11:10 PM
My car also has subframe connectors, don't know if that helps any, but it still spins like a bitch. I will prolly end up with som d/r b4 it is over with. But I will be very pleased if my car runs mid 14's the way it is right now.
fordpower
03-26-2009, 11:14 PM
sticky tires
3500-4000 launch
speed shift that b
should b low 14s
5_02ls1
03-26-2009, 11:19 PM
street tires on a stock 94-95 5liter are gonna =low to mid 15s.....hell get the tires over anything....i learned long ago horsepower is useless if you cant get it to the ground.....ive had a few built 15second 5liters due to shitty 60fts.....
fordpower
03-26-2009, 11:22 PM
street tires on a stock 94-95 5liter are gonna =low to mid 15s.....hell get the tires over anything....i learned long ago horsepower is useless if you cant get it to the ground.....ive had a few built 15second 5liters due to shitty 60fts.....
amen
i wouldnt go to the track without a set of drag tires
without them--your racing on ice
dsmvr4
03-26-2009, 11:27 PM
My car also has subframe connectors, don't know if that helps any, but it still spins like a bitch. I will prolly end up with som d/r b4 it is over with. But I will be very pleased if my car runs mid 14's the way it is right now.
I would just get a set of ET street i would not get a DR. The ET's will give a lil on the side walls so a lil less stress to the 8.8. The DR will not give at all and will beat the 8.8 faster. Also preloading the car will help alot.
Also may look into getting new clutch's put in the rear end of your car if it is highier in the milage.
Also what kind of clutch is in your car. Cause you will need one that can hold the power if it is old clutch still. I have a king cobra in my 95. I love the feel of it and everything. Has great strong pedal feel over a stock clutch and hold a lil bit more then stock. I think there rated to like 350TQ or something like that. I also have a pro 5.0 shifter and it makes everything smoother and can shift faster and more precise gear shifts.
Im still a noob to at this whole thing tho. Just telling you what i have read and other experinces i have read about. Others on here know alot more then i do about 5 liters then me.
fordpower
03-26-2009, 11:32 PM
yeah i agree the d/r dont compare to the et streets
i also had a king cobra clutch and a b&m ripper shifter when mine was a 5sp.
without a good clutch and shifter you can prob forget
speed shiftn 3rd
5_02ls1
03-26-2009, 11:33 PM
they are actually 2 different e/t streets.....radial and biasply....ive had both.....the radials feel alot better at high speeds like 1teens and higher.....i hated my bias ply tires they felt like shit about 114 or higher....
but alot of it was to narrow of a wheel i guess....
http://forums.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1109123&highlight=cam
5_02ls1
03-26-2009, 11:48 PM
ehh most of theguys on the corral are idiots that forum sucks.....ive owned the cam it works fine.....
+
kenseth17cd
03-27-2009, 08:29 AM
That would be great if I could launch at 3500 but I am gonna need some damn good tires to do that.
kenseth17cd
03-27-2009, 08:50 AM
My car has a new clutch and pressure plate, but I think it is prolly stock, not for sure though.
kenseth17cd
03-27-2009, 04:37 PM
What do you all think if I put the e303 cam, gt 40 heads, cold air kit, 70mm throttle body, off road h pipe, bbk long tube headers. Do you think those mods would make my car pick up a second in the 1/4 mile. I can hold off on painting my car and then I would have $1000 to put into the motor.
AzureMachIne
03-27-2009, 05:42 PM
should, i did
What do you all think if I put the e303 cam, gt 40 heads, cold air kit, 70mm throttle body, off road h pipe, bbk long tube headers. Do you think those mods would make my car pick up a second in the 1/4 mile. I can hold off on painting my car and then I would have $1000 to put into the motor.
i think that would be alot better than just putting a cam only in
5_02ls1
03-27-2009, 06:15 PM
cam only with bolt ons is fine....but the heads are always a good option....one of the fastest 5 liters ive sat in was a cam only car hell it had the damn stock intake still on it....but had full exhaust gears and an f303....
kenseth17cd
03-27-2009, 07:26 PM
Anyone know where I can get gt 40 intake and heads or some other intake and heads for a reasonable and I do mean reasonable price. I got a very tight budget but I want this car to be in the 13's.
AzureMachIne
03-27-2009, 07:29 PM
ebay
5_02ls1
03-27-2009, 07:32 PM
ebay or the mustang boards....look into an explorer intake or a proffessional products...also when buying gt40 heads if you get gt40p heads you will need speacial headers....the plain gt40s use regular headers....the spark plug bosses on the p heads are on a fucked up angle....one of my buddies ran into this problem a few yearts ago....
kenseth17cd
03-27-2009, 07:36 PM
Yeah I have been looking all day, but $400 is about the cheapest set of gt 40 heads I can find. Idk if that is a good deal or not, also to put gt40 intakes on my car what needs to be done?
5_02ls1
03-27-2009, 07:39 PM
you will need an elbow and 400 is about the norm...
kenseth17cd
03-27-2009, 07:45 PM
I don't want to get a different set of headers, I found a real good deal on bbk long tubes, so I guess I need to go with regular gt 40 heads. I am reading claims of 30-40 whp with the gt 40 head and intake swap, any truth to this?
5_02ls1
03-27-2009, 07:48 PM
sounds about right...i wouldnt waste money on the gt40 intake...a cobra is cheaper and will net the same gain....look into the pro products typhoon intake.....best bang for the buck....imo
AzureMachIne
03-27-2009, 08:13 PM
yea iron gt40 heads will get ya 35-40 whp, if u can find some aluminum heads u can get up to 60-65 out of the trick flow, edelbrock heads but they are more expensive
92WhiteLX
03-27-2009, 11:23 PM
Ill sell you my E cam for 50 bucks.
Hey bro, I dont know where you wanna be down the road, but you do! dont buy parts twice, Gt-40 heads are dinosaurs like the alph cams! Yes they worked great back in the day when the fastest four banger ran a 15.5@92mph! Times have changed! comp cams XE274HR is a cam with growing room & runs great with a 302 also! GT-40 heads make great boat anchors! Get Alum AFR 185s, they alone are worth 75hp out of the box, I have them I know! 92lx runs good but he has tires. Your not going anywhere without em! Et streets for the track and nittos DRs for the street! Holley systemax intake is a great intake to add! Yes it costs to be fast but buying parts twice and paying labor rates twice sucks ass! If you gotta have it know just put a 100 shot on it till you get all the parts you need to the engine rite!!!!!!!
kenseth17cd
03-28-2009, 08:38 AM
Hey bro, I dont know where you wanna be down the road, but you do! dont buy parts twice, Gt-40 heads are dinosaurs like the alph cams! Yes they worked great back in the day when the fastest four banger ran a 15.5@92mph! Times have changed! comp cams XE274HR is a cam with growing room & runs great with a 302 also! GT-40 heads make great boat anchors! Get Alum AFR 185s, they alone are worth 75hp out of the box, I have them I know! 92lx runs good but he has tires. Your not going anywhere without em! Et streets for the track and nittos DRs for the street! Holley systemax intake is a great intake to add! Yes it costs to be fast but buying parts twice and paying labor rates twice sucks ass! If you gotta have it know just put a 100 shot on it till you get all the parts you need to the engine rite!!!!!!!
In a perfect world, you would be absolutely correct. My goal is to have a mid 13 second car that is still very streetable. I don't have enough money nor will I to have anything faster than that. So, I figure the cheaper parts will get me where I need to be. As far as the 100 shot of nos you are prolly correct that I should just save my money and go with that. But, I hate paying $40 a week to fill it up everytime I go to the track.
kenseth17cd
03-28-2009, 08:51 AM
PM sent about the cam as well.
fordpower
03-28-2009, 08:57 AM
I Got A Set Of Mac U/d Pulleys
Black Powdercoated----$50
Theyre For The 94-95
kenseth17cd
03-28-2009, 09:00 AM
I may be working a deal out that includes some pulleys, this guy has bbk long tubes, bbk off road h pipe, and mac pulleys for $300.
Kornnut
03-28-2009, 10:31 AM
ebay or the mustang boards....look into an explorer intake or a proffessional products...also when buying gt40 heads if you get gt40p heads you will need speacial headers....the plain gt40s use regular headers....the spark plug bosses on the p heads are on a fucked up angle....one of my buddies ran into this problem a few yearts ago....
You know you can run BBK longtubes with them. When I had a set for the 95 I did a ton of looking around and there was a lot of guys running them with P's. Just had to cut down a socket to change the plugs.
5_02ls1
03-28-2009, 11:40 AM
2lx runs good but he has tires. Your not going anywhere without em!
he ran what he did on old worn out e/t streets that I gave away.....and it doesnt take afr,s to run 13s....lolnor an over rated systemax intake....
KN I didnt know that on the bbk's my buddie used the ford racing gt40p headers....
Kornnut
03-28-2009, 11:53 AM
....
KN I didnt know that on the bbk's my buddie used the ford racing gt40p headers....
That would be the best/easiest choice to chage plugs with.
kenseth17cd
03-28-2009, 12:01 PM
I have read so much stuff about how to get a 94-95 gt into the 13's. I have read that slicks alone will do it and I have read that you need intake, heads, and cam to do it. What is the truth about this from someone who has actually done it. I am prolly gonna buy the e303 cam off of 92whitelx, whether I use it now with the stock heads and intake or later is really going to depend on what everyone tells me. My plans as of now are to put the e303 cam, off road h pipe, long tube headers, cold air kit, and some et streets. If that is not a good option then I am going to put a 100 shot on it and call it quits for now. I just want a solid 13 second car that I could drive everyday If I needed to and I want to do it for under $1000. What do you guys think will be my best route?
I have read so much stuff about how to get a 94-95 gt into the 13's. I have read that slicks alone will do it and I have read that you need intake, heads, and cam to do it. What is the truth about this from someone who has actually done it. I am prolly gonna buy the e303 cam off of 92whitelx, whether I use it now with the stock heads and intake or later is really going to depend on what everyone tells me. My plans as of now are to put the e303 cam, off road h pipe, long tube headers, cold air kit, and some et streets. If that is not a good option then I am going to put a 100 shot on it and call it quits for now. I just want a solid 13 second car that I could drive everyday If I needed to and I want to do it for under $1000. What do you guys think will be my best route?
I have had the E-cam and it is a good streetable cam, it will make power, headers is a biggie for 5.0 cars! In my personal opinion you wont hit 13s with what you've listed alone and thats based on the cars I have had! It will be fast enough for you for now I think & yes add the 100 shot because it will cover the extra you want & then some! What gears are you running?
kenseth17cd
03-28-2009, 12:09 PM
I got 3.73s in it. Would it hurt anything to do the ecam and 100 shot. I am sure with traction that would prolly be low to mid 13's. But would it cause any probs.
5_02ls1
03-28-2009, 12:10 PM
well the truth is bristol is slow....usually takes me 40 more rwhp to run what guys at other tracks run......do the cam intake and headers...and on e/t streets or a similar sticky tire you should hit 13s...but your gonnA NEED SUB 1.9 60FTS.....if it was me id do the headers and spray it....if tuned right nitrous is very safe....
kenseth17cd
03-28-2009, 12:12 PM
I think that is prolly gonna end up being what I do, but I am gonna go ahead and get the e303 cam form 92whitelx, for $50 hell even if I don't use it, it's worth that.
well the truth is bristol is slow....usually takes me 40 more rwhp to run what guys at other tracks run......do the cam intake and headers...and on e/t streets or a similar sticky tire you should hit 13s...but your gonnA NEED SUB 1.9 60FTS.....if it was me id do the headers and spray it....if tuned right nitrous is very safe....
I agree but to hit 13s without the juice you will have to launch like hell! I see 14.2s and on a 100 shot you may see 12.9s on a great launch! If your gonna stick with stock heads for a while take a look at the bolt down 1.7 ration cobra roller rockers! another 10-15 hp and will add .30 more lift to the e-cam! e-cam is .498 and .528 with 1.7 RR
kenseth17cd
03-28-2009, 04:30 PM
For now, I am gonna go with that e303 cam, 100 shot of nos, et's definately, long tubes, and h pipe. I think if it will hook, I may even get to see 12's. But, right now I can't even leave off idle and floor without eating the tires off. Anyone got any et's for sale. Must be 17".
julio246
03-28-2009, 10:12 PM
One other cheap investment would get a set of under drive pulls. I have been 14.0 with K&N , shorty headers, cat back, under drive pulls and nitto DR.
AzureMachIne
03-28-2009, 11:18 PM
For now, I am gonna go with that e303 cam, 100 shot of nos, et's definately, long tubes, and h pipe. I think if it will hook, I may even get to see 12's. But, right now I can't even leave off idle and floor without eating the tires off. Anyone got any et's for sale. Must be 17".
I doubt you will see 12's at bristol with that amount done, maybe 13.5-13.6
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